Sean Donahoe: Is there a stock that just makes your blood boil? Maybe one that never does what you think it should do? Ready to go? Let's rock.
Automated: Rebel Traders takes you inside the world of two underground master traders, who take an entertaining and contrarian look at the markets to cut through the noise of Wall Street and help you navigate the trading mine field. Together, Sean Donahoe and Phil Newton are on a mission to give you the unfair advantage of a rebel trader. And now, here are your hosts Sean Donahoe and Mr. Phil Newton.
Sean Donahoe: Hey, hey, hey. This be Sean Donahoe and as always, as every week I am joined by my partner in pods casting, Mr. Phil Newton. How you doing, sir?
Phil Newton: I'm very good today and with a classy introduction like that, why wouldn't I be made most welcome?
Sean Donahoe: There you go. Yeah, usually we start the show-
Phil Newton: It's a pleasure, Sean. audio.
Sean Donahoe: I usually do try to have a little pleasure to myself.
Phil Newton: Pleasure yourself?
Sean Donahoe: I wasn't going there. Well anyway. We are going to dive right in here and basically we are just going to kick it off. Here's some personal pet peeves. Try say We're gonna be looking at ... Sometimes it's a little bit difficult to keep emotion out of your trading. Especially when there are some stocks that just frankly piss you off. So maybe it's from a bad trade or just left a bad taste in your mouth or maybe it's just you had dealings with a company that just riles you up or what have you. Well, in this week's show we're gonna be picking aOf 3 some of the companies that are, they're on our own personal dart board. As well as some common stocks that people just love to hate.
Phil Newton: They're on our shit list.
Sean Donahoe: Okay. Yeah. Who's going to talk-
Phil Newton: Let's not dance around it.
Sean Donahoe: Absolutely.
Phil Newton: Created a label on the , let's use it for God's sake.
Sean Donahoe: Maximum advantage, there you go. So yeah, they're on our poo list.
Phil Newton: Stocks that have pissed us off royally.
Sean Donahoe: Indeed. That's it. We're going to look at basically how to deal with that when you just got that ... You got your back up and everything else. What else we got Phil?
Phil Newton: We've got the new favorite section of trade, fade or evade. More I'm liking this, the more I want to do this. What I've decided to do Sean, is after we've recorded our pod cast, I'm going to go visual version and that's going to be on our Facebook group so you can do a follow along with the trade, fade or evade. Just a quick 90 second or so video and you can look forward to that in the Facebook group.
Sean Donahoe: That's cool as hell. Okay, so yeah, let's first-
Phil Newton: I thought you'd like that. A little surprise just for you.
Sean Donahoe: There you go, I love it. If you're not a member of the Facebook group, you can go to Facebook.com/groups/rebeltraders. Ask to join, log on and come and join the rest of the craziness in there. Okay, let's just jump right in then. Here's the thing. There are lots of stocks that always ... I wouldn't say controversial, but they're always in the news or when they are hitting the news cycle or they're heading the social media, I would say lynch mobs. They go out there every now and then. They're usually under the radar or in the sights of everybody.
Phil Newton: They get thrown under the bus quite regularly for no particular reason.
Sean Donahoe: Indeed. Sometimes there is a little bit of a reason and sometimes it just kind of skims along and everyone forgets about it. Let's take the first one, United Airlines. Now this one is one that is referred to every time something goes wrong on an airline they keep saying "And remember that incident on United Airlines, when a security person dragged off a"-
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, we do it as well, yes. It's actually one of our-
Phil Newton: It's relevant isn't it. It's one of those war stories when it comes to ... I think it's going to go down as a modern war story, "Remember that time when someone was dragged off kicking and screaming?"
Sean Donahoe: Indeed. But here's the thing, it was a great object lesson because when we looked at it you could see the news cycle come in. It was a great object lesson for things we talk about, which is why we refer to it is because it will start to return to normal once it came out of the news front. It was like nothing had happened.
Phil Newton: Which was 24 hours later. It does highlight the unnecessary shit storm that the news media overemphasizes the impact of ... Don't get me wrong, I'm not downplaying the instance itself. Please don't mistake my words. From a trading point of view, no-one cared. Literally, it had minimal impact on the stocks performance. Looking at it, it's several weeks, several months later even now it's had minimal impact on the stocks performance. This just highlights why we hate the news, really.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah. More than anything else, you see things like this happen. They come under the radar and everything it's the scrutiny-
Phil Newton: From a news point of view, the instance itself, it was a bad instance. It was genuinely newsworthy. It observes, of the things that could be put out on the news that day, that deserved ... It's what you would call a real piece of news item. Once again, it was over-sensationalized. From a trading point of view, separating those two things, no-one cared.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, exactly. That's what we're looking at. We're not looking at the actual stories themselves or what's put them under the microscope, or in the sights, but we are looking at "What real impact did it have?"
Phil Newton: It raised our awareness.
Sean Donahoe: Exactly. It certainly raised our awareness but oftentimes when you see these news pops it's great to see, "Okay, let's see if it bounces the other direction returns to normal. Is there a trading opportunity there". Sometimes you have to be a little bit ruthless. I say "Oh, that's the news radar, it's a news pop, grab it".
Phil Newton: I think always having in mind as well, whenever you see something like this, you regularly talk about what to do when something reacts violently on what looks like thin news from the stocks point of view. Just default to the viewpoint of whatever the market is doing, the headline, the talking heads just default to the opposite. The stock did react. Long term it was within the context of an uptrend despite the dip, whichever way you look at it.
Sean Donahoe: Absolutely. Now that swings us over to our next target, and I think one that is in the news continuously for all sorts of different reasons. We got to look at Tesla. That's one that I think a lot of people love to hate. A lot of analysts have recognized it has the most short activity of any stock. That Mr. Musk doesn't help himself a lot of times, he keeps seeming to put his foot in things and then again the thing is he's under so much-
Phil Newton: He's putting spliff in mouth, sorry, foot in mouth.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, foot in mouth, yes indeed. He's under so much scrutiny all the damn time, that anything he does is magnified by the news media who love to hype up anything to do with Elon Musk. Recently, we had the whole thing where he said "Funding secured Tesla before 20".
Phil Newton: He put a stupid thing out, which, to be fair, while we usually bash in the news, it was stupid what he said.
Sean Donahoe: It was without the actual-
Phil Newton: It didn't bring him under legitimately necessary scrutiny from the FEC.
Sean Donahoe: Yes. You have to act because you couldn't get away with that, for someone who's so public. So they ended up putting a little bit of a lawsuit against him which they settled.
Phil Newton: Another turn on the thumbscrews for him, yeah.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, basically a 20 million dollar fine and he had to step down as chairman of Tesla. That was their request. He's still on the CEO so there is a big difference. People think, "Oh, he's out as chairman". No that doesn't mean he's out of the company or out of the CEO. That's two different things.
Phil Newton: On face value it sounds like a hefty thing that's happened. Don't get me wrong, I'm not downplaying the actual event. He's had a slap on the wrist here and he's allowed to basically keep control of the helm as it were.
Sean Donahoe: Exactly, yeah. Now again, now we look-
Phil Newton: I'm thinking it's more like ... Sorry, Sean it was a little bit ... I like that. It just seems like he's ... What's the phrase I'm looking for? It's like, "Hey, we got to do something here, here's a fine that's going to make people's eyes water. Slap on the wrist. I'm going to take one of your titles away but you're still in overall power and control, in charge of the direction of the company".
Sean Donahoe: Yeah. It was-
Phil Newton: From that perspective it almost seems like he's got away with it. He's had a bit of a Scooby-Doo ending, "And he would've gotten away with it too". And he did.
Sean Donahoe: Kind of did. I mean 20 million dollars is a blip in the ocean in terms of fines and everything else. Sure, it's like, "Ouch, okay". Business moves on.
Phil Newton: Yeah.
Sean Donahoe: You saw the reaction. We're recording this at the beginning of October here. If you look at the charts, it went from the top of the Belize all the way to the bottom of the Belize and back up like nothing happened. People realize, "Oh, FEC's leveled a fine, they've charged him". Bam, bam, bam. The panic was all the way back to the bottom.
Phil Newton: You can almost say the Chancellor's going orgasmic over an island reversal.
Sean Donahoe: Exactly. When you have stock that is under such scrutiny, and again is such a great source of news-
Phil Newton: Entertainment, for a lot of reasons.
Sean Donahoe: Yes. It's someone I come back to a lot because the stock is so damn volatile right now because of this. If you look back, all the way back to, say, April of this year. We've had some big bloody swings. We're talking almost 33% up and down all the way. Peaking at 319 all the way down to 250 and it's swinging back and forth in and around that.
Phil Newton: Yeah, that's what it's been doing. Just bobbing back and forth. I think the other thing as well why Tesla gets thrown under the bus so much is because ... We were talking about this in the Facebook group as well. Elon Musk is an outliers, outlier. Most people who are at the extremities of their ... What's the phrase I'm looking for? It's not society because it's just ... For people who are in the spotlight, who are in charge of companies, they're a small number of people in the world who are in charge of big multi-billion dollar companies. There's only a small number of them, so they're an outlier compared to the rest of society. Within those outliers, there's people who are always in the news, always in the headlines. They're the outliers of the outliers. I think that Elon falls into a very unique category because he's bat shit crazy, who's the outliers, outlier. Is that making sense Sean?
Sean Donahoe: Yeah.
Phil Newton: He's caught doing weird stuff. Maybe he's on the verge of a breakdown. That gets tossed around quite regularly. Maybe he's just a kooky eccentric. If you imagined it, a few hundred years ago, he'd be that guy that would just wander around with his underpants on his head and pencils up his nose. Wandering around going, "Wobble". He'd just be speaking crazy. That's what he'd be doing a couple hundred years ago. It wouldn't surprise me if he's doing that right now. He would just be a crazy eccentric, is how history would look at him. It'd be interesting, if we could fast forward time and see how history looks at Elon Musk. Looks back on him as just a crazy eccentric. This is why I came to the thing, he's the outliers, outlier. He's going to do stupid things by most peoples' standards. For whatever reason, he wants to go and live on Mars. That's fine. He's building rocket ships to go and live on Mars for crying out loud. What did you expect him to do?
Sean Donahoe: Well, exactly. Jeez, enough said. Okay, let's move on. Take the microscope off of Musk and put it on British Petroleum. British Petroleum again, big controversial thing over here. We have the Gulf oil spill and everything else. Again, not a popular company in the United States. This is also one of those industries that again, socially, environmentally, there's a lot-
Phil Newton: It's sensitive, yeah.
Sean Donahoe: If there's an ability to start waving placards then again, it gets a lot of attention. When you cock up, basically like they did with the oil spill in the Gulf there. And again, you badly handle it, yeah you know what, you deserve a lot of criticism and everything else. If you look back on the year and you go back even five years, you can see, not only did they take a hit with the oil industry but also because of what was going on there. It's taken them a long time to recover back from all of that. I can't even remember what year that was. That oil-
Phil Newton: I'm just looking back to 2010. They had a major, major, major sell off.
Sean Donahoe: That's what I was thinking it was. I was just trying-
Phil Newton: Yeah. To be fair they've kind of meandered around.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, it was 2010. That was it. The chart tells the story. That was 2010 that that happened and boom, there you go. The stock way-
Phil Newton: Another thing where the stock takes a hit on the news. Prior to the news, guess where it was? 2009, it was around 45, 50 dollars. Up to 2010, then the major incident, drops down to 30. Recovers quite quickly and is pretty much fluctuated above and below 45, 50 dollars since 2010, after that incident. This just highlights again that stocks get thrown under the bus quite regularly, as you were saying because of the news cycle. The reality is, it's just one little event, one little hiccup in the big scheme of things.
Phil Newton: Once it's out of the public eye, for the most part, from a trading point of view, no-one cares. It factored into the stocks price and if there's still good value in the company ... Typically, what was happening before the news, will continue to be the thing that happens after the news and after the storm has settled. After the ripples of stocks spreading out from that news event, whatever was going on before the news is going to happen after the news. What happened before was not a lot. What happens after is not a lot. The reality is, in ten years it's unchanged. Nothing has happened.
Sean Donahoe: The way I look at it is, the quick money's in and out. That's the liquid portion of stock allocation. There's a lot of quick money in and out, looking for the quick trade, looking for the quick profit. Also, you've got the slow money that's in there for the long haul, not giving a rat's butt about what is going on because they know it's the underlying value of the company and everything else. Even-
Phil Newton: Headlines share the attention because it's the household name.
Sean Donahoe: When you raise your awareness and you think, "Oh, this has got an adverse effect of news and everything else". Sometimes that does raise a quick recovery. The smart money recognizes that as soon as the public eye is off of this, it is oftentimes returned to normal. That's something we do. We talk about raising your awareness all the time.
Phil Newton: Whatever was going on before the news events, that's what's going to happen afterwards when the storm settles. If it's in an uptrend, it survived a dip in the uptrend. If it's in a downtrend, it's probably going to ... You know if it's good news it going to be a seller rally event. In BPs case, nothing was happening before, nothing's happening afterwards. Sure, the swing's a little bit wider because of volatility. The reality, is that it's unchanged in 10 years. Literally unchanged.
Sean Donahoe: Pretty much. Okay, now we're going to put some focus onto tech stocks here. One's that tend to create a little bit of tribalism so-
Phil Newton: Household names?
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, household names. Common household names. It brings in the tribalism aspect, for example, and I'm going to love this one. Apple vs. Samsung. Samsung is a little more difficult to trade because it's actually a Korean company. You can buy it over the counter, OTC. It's not actually traded on like the New York Stock Exchange or Nasdaq or anything else. You got the people who swear by their Apple phones, their iPhones, their iPads, their iWatches-
Phil Newton: Their Uphones, their There-phones.
Sean Donahoe: Exactly.
Phil Newton: Whatever the latest widget is. Yeah, they've done a great job. I think this is definitely a stock that has the general public as a company either loving them or hating them. As a company, they are from a user point of view, they are marmites. Either love it or hate it.
Sean Donahoe: Absolutely and hitting all time highs this morning.
Phil Newton: Yeah, I'm just looking at it now. I wish I'd gotten in on that dip. Take my own advice.
Sean Donahoe: We did talk about this a couple of weeks ago, actually. At the end of the day, it is one that you either love or hate. You just like, "Oh, it's a Mac fanboy or an Apple fanboy". I'll take-
Phil Newton: You've created good divides, yeah.
Sean Donahoe: Oddly enough, one of the main focuses of Apple during the iPod era was to create a social movement. If you look at the branding, if you saw anyone with white headphones, you knew they had an Apple. That was their one little trick. Their one little click bait thing was all the silhouette advertising with the white headphones. That was the thing to stand out. That was a great-
Phil Newton: Yeah. Any company that can get you to queue around the corner, not just as a local isolated phenomenon. A global movement where people will queue around the block for 24 hours overnight, to be first in line or one of the first in line to get whatever the latest version of their product is. They're doing something right from a company point of view. From a trading point of view, traders don't care about that sort of thing. It really doesn't matter in the big scheme of things. It is one of those companies that as long as they continue to do that, it will be broadly seen as a good stock, as a blue-chip investment. It doesn't really matter what the price is let's just get in. It's probably going to move high from our experiences. That's the general acceptance. It's a loved stock, it's a loved company. The people who don't like it and don't love it, they're inconsequential to people who do. They're the ones who are putting money into the company constantly, regularly, consistently.
Phil Newton: I did see actually they just released a new software company. Did they soft launch it in Asia? I can't quite remember the specifics. It didn't quite hit the numbers that they were expecting, is what I was reading. Looking at the way that price behaves, bearing in mind that it didn't hit the numbers and the fanaticism we were just talking about, the usual hype and expectation. Yet the stocks are still rambling higher and higher and higher. It's just shrugging off bad news. This is a good example of when you've genuinely got a good stock, a good company, a good product and all the elements that go into that. A good company will shrug off bad news. The bad news in this case was the initial release is not hitting numbers, which is for most other people, a bad piece of news. A bad company, that will tank a stocks price quite regularly, consistently.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah. They have the new XS and let me just see ... I actually do not pay attention because I'm not an iPhone guy. They got the XS and the XR. They're ranging from $14 000 upwards. They are bloody expensive. They funny thing is, from a realistic point of view, the phones trade mostly on the brand name rather than the technology. Their technology is actually behind
Sean Donahoe: Rather than the technology so technology is actually behind in a lot of cases, other vendors like Samsung and everything else. You know it's like, "Oh, welcome to the party Apple!" This is, "Hey, better late than never!" to a lot of the technologies that are in there. And the other thing is, I always make a joke is-
Phil Newton: Quite smart though, couldn't it? Because they're not trailblazing away with a new widget or a brand new feature or version, they're waiting for someone to do it, have done it, test it, see that it work, and they improve on it. And one school of thought is that's pretty smart business in my mind.
Sean Donahoe: Yes, it is, you can get the stability but again the pricing often-
Phil Newton: They're not first to market anything.
Sean Donahoe: Exactly, it's not first to market. And I always make the joke, is Apple's iPhone is the best phone that Samsung ever made! I always make a joke because one of the companies that Samsung owns makes some of the chips in the iPhones, which again is ironic to say the least but, yeah, at the end of the day they're very expensive comparatively technology-wise. If you put a Mac laptop, I just bought funnily enough a Mac laptop the other day for my wife and again, comparatively, technology-wise, they are overpriced for the actual technology but again it's because Apple, it's the reputation. It's a lot of the prestige that comes with it.
Sean Donahoe: But that's good branding and that's what keeps the company. But then again when it comes to branding and you start to separate "you're better if you have an Apple", people have resentment of that "Screw you, Apple", you know, flipping the bird to anyone who's got that silly little fruit symbol on the back of their computers, like "Yeah, you're a tosser!". Yeah but again it creates that kind of divide so it's probably because it does create that, the antithesis so to speak of the Apple fan boy, and everything else, or fan girl...
Phil Newton: Here's an interesting thing that I just caught us doing, Sean. I think we're a product of the way that Apple has done their marketing and promotions and I think if you think about their news and the media I was just trying to think, when was the last time we saw someone actually, even people who don't like Apple, don't actually trash Apple, in a bad way, like go off majorly on the rails, they kind of just pooh-pooh it, and "Not my favorite stock" or "Not my favorite product" or blah blah blah, you know its just like a negative viewpoint. It's not really, "I'm going to trash-talk Apple today" whereas, I caught us talking about it with United, with British Petroleum, with Tesla even, we didn't really have a positive feeling and we were kind of biasing ourselves towards negative talk. And thinking about the news headlines is, the old thing is "if it bleeds, it leads". I can't remember a time where someone absolutely trashed Apple.
Sean Donahoe: Hmm-Hmm
Phil Newton: So even if they don't like it, they still love it.
Sean Donahoe: That's an interesting observation, I can think of a few-
Phil Newton: Cos I caught us doing it, because we were quite negative in our spin of the way, cos you know me, I like to pay attention to how we say things and if I can catch myself better. We were quite negative on the other stocks, but with Apple we're biased towards the yeah we kind of like, I mean sure, I've used other Apple products, but as a stock, you know, we said it ourselves, we'd love to love it, in this case, as opposed to love to hate it.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah absolutely, I mean-
Phil Newton: Interesting spin, I think.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, very much so. I mean Apple is a regular feature on my portfolio, I have, funnily enough, I'm hot spotting through both the Samsung and an iPhone, I'm actually combining two signals, to make sure that I can do this damn podcast today, cos the local WiFi sucks, but I also have got my big beasty alien-ware laptop here, right next to me is my wife's dainty little MacBook. She's got a MacBook Air. And again, I've got my iPad right behind me, which is my iPad 12-inch Pro and again, I use all these products and I love them, I do. Funnily enough, when you start using them you start having loyalty.
Phil Newton: Yeah it just kind of influences and clouds our viewpoint. Again even for the news point of view, which is what the emphasis is on for the moment, when was the last time that Apple was absolutely trashed in the news? Even if it was bad news, it was "Ah well, it's not quite hit its numbers. It'll come back!" They're trying to still putting a positive spin on it.
Sean Donahoe: No, absolutely. I can think of a couple of instances where a companies like Foxconn which was the manufacturer in China, which had really ferocious working conditions and had all sorts of really bad things going on, so Apple caught a lot of flak for that, it wasn't absolute hatred it was like "That's not on. Do something about it." So they created a company over in the US to actually start assembling stuff to get around that, and you know, they are loved enough that they can withstand a lot of heat which other companies, which, if that was leveled at Tesla, who is again-
Phil Newton: It's a love to hate stock by comparison to Apple, which is the kind of phrase we use its love to love. We all love to love Apple we can't find a reason to dislike it even when there's a reason to dislike it.
Sean Donahoe: Indeed, indeed, indeed!
Phil Newton: Something with Tesla, it like, "I'm going to hate this stuff!" We can bash on, there's always the short interest, there's always the kookiness of Elon Musk and Apple's Apple. And by all means Steve Jobs was a tyrant and a bastard by anyone's measure but people loved to work for him. It's just a contradiction in itself.
Sean Donahoe: It is and if you ever want to watch the documentary about, I can't remember who played it, was it Ashton Kutcher that played-?
Phil Newton: I think it was yeah!
Sean Donahoe: What a good movie as well, but it really highlighted a lot of what actually went on behind the scenes, and the core that was Steve Jobs. Bloody good movie. So any way let's move on and put our sights on Mr Bezos, Amazon. Now funnily enough, a company that we all use. They have established themselves as absolute dominance.
Phil Newton: Another love to love, right, yeah!
Sean Donahoe: What's the first thing anyone does when they wanna go buy a product online? They go to Amazon see the price. That's it.
Phil Newton: See the price, look at the reviews. Yeah.
Sean Donahoe: But it's-
Phil Newton: Whether you buy it from there or not, that's where you go.
Sean Donahoe: It's a measuring stick. Its like, I'm in California still, and this morning both my sons placed an Amazon Prime Now order for a delivery of groceries this morning, I literally got the text that the delivery has just arrived. We use Prime for video streaming, we don't have cable, we use primarily, we use Amazon Prime for all of our video content, we still use Netflix occasionally but most of it is through Amazon now. We used to be all Apple, Apple iTunes or streaming and everything else and we had the Apple TV device, but no, we use Prime Now now for pretty much everything. So they have literally
Phil Newton: To be fair wherever you are in the world, when you can push a button and have it potentially delivered in the next hour, depending on where you are, or tomorrow, why wouldn't you use it? It's just literally push button convenience.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah!
Phil Newton: It's another stock that you don't mind paying a little bit more for the convenience of having it delivered tomorrow or within the hour, depending on how close you are to their warehouses.
Sean Donahoe: Well exactly.
Phil Newton: Why wouldn't you? As far as I'm concerned, this kind of falls into the same category as Apple, another household name, another company that gets a lot of flak and grief about various things, but this is a love to love stock, you know. Whenever there's bad news, it's shrugged off, both in the news by the talking heads and by the stocks price, because again, money movements create the real outcome and everyone keeps buying Amazon. The only way is up. Same with Apple, it's another love to love stock, regardless of whatever the news is going on around it. Cos he's getting a lot of crap at the moment, as well in the news isn't he, Bezos?
Sean Donahoe: He is.
Phil Newton: There's a lot about the working conditions, not downplaying people's experience of working, whatever they're experiencing but the stock's behavior, the stock's price movement, no one cares in the trading world. It's going up. No one cares. The fact that you've got crap working conditions and you're on minimum wage is great for profits, which pushes the price up. That's all the traders care about.
Sean Donahoe: No, absolutely right. But if you look at the stock, look at it from 12 months ago. It has almost doubled-
Phil Newton: Steady Eddy.
Sean Donahoe: In the last 12 months.
Phil Newton: Yeah. Keep in mind that's a thousand dollars stock 12 months ago.
Sean Donahoe: Exactly.
Phil Newton: Just over two thousand dollars. You know that's monumental as a percentage! Yes but hold on as a dollar amount just think, it's gone from one thousand dollars to two thousand. These are cryptocurrency movements as dollar amounts.
Sean Donahoe: Indeed!
Phil Newton: Crazy amounts!
Sean Donahoe: It is insane. It is insane. Okay, let's have a look at Google. Another one-
Phil Newton: I just want to take a breath for a moment, Sean, I think I back-handedly gave a positive comment to cryptocurrency.
Sean Donahoe: It's okay.
Phil Newton: I just want to catch my breath for a moment before I have a hyperventilation attack.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, take your medication. Take your crypto-medication, man. Just in case.
Phil Newton: Rub my
Sean Donahoe: Okay so we've got another one here, which again, everyone loves to bash on and Google is the evil empire. Again, it's a lot of these monopoly-type companies. That's why they get a lot of criticism because they have managed to gain such an important market share in our lives, and don't even get me started about some of the things that Google actually does, which I take full advantage on, as a marketer and an advertiser in many of my businesses, but one of the things that they do do is they do have the ability to acquire lots of technologies and companies, they have the ability to grow their market share and their involvement in our company. For example, I have both the Samsung, I've just acquired the Note 9, which is powered by Google's operating system, Android, we have the Apple iPhone right next to it, powered by Apple. These are 2 of the biggest companies that have for example, all the technologies we rely on: Gmail, a lot of people have Gmail accounts, they have Google accounts, they have YouTube accounts. When you think about all the different medias they own, so they have a big influence in everyday life, they have over 90% of the search engine results that are delivered.
Phil Newton: They are not only a household name, I'm trying to think of the right word that describes it, but whenever you have a question, what's most people's response is "I wonder what movie star was in whatever film?" You know the usual late night conversations, or "can you remember what films he was in?" types of conversations.
Sean Donahoe: We'll Google it, yeah
Phil Newton: Yeah, so what's the thing? It's Google it. It's now become, the reaction is, because I remember, Sean, working in Blockbuster Video and getting those phone calls, just right before we closed: "What actor was in this film?" I've got 5 minutes to close, I've got to cash up, dude, and you're giving me this question now?
Phil Newton: But now you can just Google it. And you carry it around in your pocket, so yeah, it's a household name, considering that-
Sean Donahoe: Its integral, is the word I want to use.
Phil Newton: It's ingrained into your lives as a reaction to: "I wonder what...?" Because you don't "Wikipedia" it, do you? You might get there from Google-ing but you don't go and Wikipedia something when you want to know something. Yeah, we used to look it up in the encyclopedia if you had one, if you were posh, when you were a kid, pre-digital age.
Phil Newton: Again, love to love Google, and the way it impacts your life. I think we're talking about invisible services, when it comes to Amazon and Google, they're invisible, they run in the background but if you took them away they'd have quite a dramatic impact on the way that we lived our lives today. I think that's the thing with some of these technological stocks that we love to love them or love to hate them but we hate to love them!
Sean Donahoe: Indeed, indeed, so let's move on.
Phil Newton: I was just going to say, I think the next stock we're going to talk about is I can't decide if I hate to love it or if I love to hate it!
Sean Donahoe: Well, it's the one that drives everyone nuts, especially-
Phil Newton: So we hate to love it! We need it, so we hate to love it!
Sean Donahoe: Exactly! And its Microshaft, I mean Microsoft. So again-
Phil Newton: Freudian slip!
Sean Donahoe: So think about it: Windows. They've never really made a strong impact in the phone market but they do have them. They have the surface tablets. They have a lot of technologies. They own LinkedIn, which is one of the most popular social media-
Phil Newton: That's a smart move.
Sean Donahoe: I think that was a good investment. But they have their fingers in a lot of pies, everything from AI to lots of different cloud technologies and everything else. They certainly have the different iterations of impact in operating systems which have been the corner stone of the company since its inception and every time they make a change to the operating system, everyone hates the next version but they-
Phil Newton: Everyone hates it!
Sean Donahoe: But it doesn't matter.
Phil Newton: As soon as everyone gets used to it, they change it again!
Sean Donahoe: Indeed, and that's it. You look at Windows Vista.
Phil Newton: I hated my latest version. I just couldn't do Windows and I hated the constant updates. Again, I hate to love it. Pointing out the obvious again, I don't want to bash on this, but everyone hates it. Skype is another one, since Microsoft bought it and since everyone hates on Microsoft, but you know what, I'm looking at the stock right now, it's going up. There's no question of, it's my slow and steady Eddy, its stock that's going up, but yet you mention Microsoft to anyone whether they love it or hate it, as a company, but you mentioned it everyone hates their products, but everyone uses them and their stock's going up. I think this is going to be a hate to love!
Sean Donahoe: Absolutely! Even look at the five year, even look at 1987.
Phil Newton: To be honest Sean, I can't find, if I was just if I didn't know this was Microsoft, you would say that this is a slow steady growth stock, we know it's Microsoft, so we know it's a blue-chip, but it's just going up and up and up, looking at the weeklies, its just getting steeper and steeper and steeper in the last 18 months, two years. It's just a lovely looking stock. It really is, from a price point of view. Then when you mention the fact that it is Microsoft, you go, "Oh, I hate the products. They're always messing them up!" You find an immediate knee-jerk reaction to bash on it and its products and all the things that it does and all the things that it stands for. And yet, total contradiction with experience from a user point of view, and what clearly, the bottom line of the profit of the company is doing, it looks like a great stock to be trading.
Sean Donahoe: Absolutely now, were going to skim over the next two really quick and I'm going to throw this one out there cos these are political targets and let's have a look at Nike. I mean Nike-
Phil Newton: Hot in the news at the moment.
Sean Donahoe: Hot in the news because of their controversial ad routine with Colin Kappernick or whatever his name is, I'm not even going to get into the political side but again, came under a lot of scrutiny with that campaign, which put them out there and they got millions of dollars worth of advertising just because they were continuously in the news. And there's an old adage that says "there's no such thing as bad publicity."
Phil Newton: Boycott allegedly.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah there was a lot of boycotting, a lot of controversy, about it.
Phil Newton: The way the stock's behaving, everyone's saying they're boycotting but they're still buying Nike on the sly by the looks of it.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, exactly, but you look at the stock and everything else and right now it's taken a wee bit of a dip in the last week and everything else but, at the end of the day, but if you look at where the dip actually happened with the news item, which was the 4th of September it picked back up and rallied and set all time highs. It's resettled a little bit here, but it's still doing what it does every damn day. So there's not really-
Phil Newton: Trend is up.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, trend is up.
Phil Newton: This is why we keep going on about it. But everyone was going on before the news, when the dust settles, what's going to happen? Normal service will be resumed.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, absolutely!
Phil Newton: In the meantime, we're going to take a short intermission, while the news cocks everything up!
Sean Donahoe: Exactly. Now another one that's along the same kind of lines that has taken a serious hit, funnily enough, is Dicks, Dick's sporting goods. Now, if you look at a lot of the bullshit around this, they basically took an anti-gun stance, but they've been the sellers of guns for many years, but because of all the social awareness around gun restrictions and some of the recent horrible shootings and everything else, they decided they were going to take a stand in that area. Well, that led to a lot of people saying, "Well, screw them!" And again, a lot of finger-pointing at them and saying, "Boycott this! Boycott that! Boycott this!" and it's the same. It could be anything from Starbucks, Chick-fil-A, one of the recent ones-
Phil Newton: Now this is where bad news is impacting the stock negatively. Again, let's think about the context of this.
Sean Donahoe: Well I don't think it's the use of the
Phil Newton: No, the news was always going to speed up what was already happening, which we've said anyway, the stock doesn't look great. It looks like it's struggling to move higher. It's not been moving higher with the broad market, which is not a typical thing that you'd expect. From the price point of view, it's behaving like a bad stock.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah.
Phil Newton: And the news is speeding up what was already happening. It's a bad stock. It's moving lower and it's gonna move lower. A little bit quicker in the short term.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, they had some impact because of their political stances and a lot of companies saying, "Yeah, we'll stay out of it." A lot of people saying, "I'm not shopping there again!" And everything else, which again, that happened a few months ago, but real recently it is a bad stock. It's not a stock that's doing anything. It's-
Phil Newton: If you look on the weeklies, it's broken out of a long term range, a classic breakdown, it's pulled back over the last 18 months. And it's now heading lower again. It's a classic breakout pull-back for long term bear-ish play. That's what I mean by from the price point of view, from the behavior's point of view, that's what I mean by, "it's a bad stock". I don't know enough about it as a company as a whole. I don't care in that regard. For me the news just speeds up what was already happening. And it was a bad stock to start with. Negative news is going to impact it negatively. That's what should happen with bad stock. With good companies, good stocks, they shrug off negative news, which is what we've just been talking about: United airlines, Tesla's neutral in that regard. Bad news is going to be shrugged off by good stocks and this is a bad stock with bad news. It's going to speed up the downward movement.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, absolutely agree with you there. And look at any of these. There's always something to look at. You can identify just by looking the chart just what is going on and if you back track to news events, it's almost like a ripple effect. You see the ongoing things. If you have a really big move, it's almost like you have to wait for those ripples to subside, or take advantage of them as you see them as well. If you're looking on the dailies on this one, for example, it's had a run of 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, this is the 8th day red bars and that's usually a sign of: there's something going on there. You usually don't see-
Phil Newton: If you're looking for history, if what happened-
Sean Donahoe: You usually don't see that kind of consistent-
Phil Newton: I mean, looking for history, it's what happens on this stock on the last 18 months, so this is ... Maybe something new's happening in that regard.
Sean Donahoe: Indeed. Absolutely. It's always interesting to see these little things happen, and sometimes when you see ... The warning as well, is when you see these things and you leap on them, say, "Oh, I gotta have some of that that, 'cause I don't like that company." That's where the warnings come in. It's like, are you trading because the numbers are right, or just because you don't like a particular company? And this is kind of what we were wanting to do the show for.
Phil Newton: get you in shits as well.
Sean Donahoe: Yes.
Phil Newton: Just because it's going down, and technically dipping, it's not dipping in the context of an uptrend. Or it's not dipping in the context of a strong performance . This is something perhaps just to point out the obvious, and just be aware of. We often talk about bad dip in an uptrend. Make sure that you've got a well-established, very obvious, clear, bullish uptrend. When you see the dip, when you see the retracements, I think just be aware of that. Perhaps just to point out the obvious here, the stock is selling off on negative news. That should be an alarm bell. It's not a knee jerk reaction for one day, which is what we've seen with the other stocks with negative news. There's been a one day or a two day knee jerk reaction. You pointed out, Sean, we've got several days of negative price behavior. That's not a knee jerk reaction.
Sean Donahoe: No, exactly. Exactly.
Phil Newton: But that's the rats leaving the ship.
Sean Donahoe: Pretty much there, pretty much. So okay, now I'm going to get on to my personal soap box here, with three quick ones that I absolutely have had really bad reactions to that have ... These are companies that are personally I've been involved with, or just don't bloody like. And funnily enough, I did a little poll in the Facebook group, and said, "Okay, what are the stocks that you love to hate to see?" And someone said, "Oh, I have a feeling that ... " And they said, "Electronic Art is going to be of them for me." Which is true, someone who pays attention to the show, yeah, Electronic Arts is one of them. And had actually some business dealings with them a long time ago, and they were just ... I won't even go into ... not ...
Phil Newton: Not honorable in their business dealings, to be polite about it.
Sean Donahoe: Well yeah, they were douches, let's just put it that way. Anyway, so every time I get the chance to shortlist stock, if it's
Sean Donahoe: It does. It absolutely does. But in reality, it's the tiniest drop of sand on a planet. It really makes no damn difference whatsoever. But at the end of the day, it is a personal little thing. But you know, what can you do? So again, Electronic Arts is one of my personal ones that again, every time I see a good opportunity to short it, I do. I don't ... And it is stupid. It is, and I self admit, that this is a stupid thing. But it just one of those little personal ones that when it pops up on my radar, nah, I can't do it, because I always feel just ... I can feel the emotion in it, and it's one of the ones that if I do have an emotional reaction, I try and avoid something, because-
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, because if I have any money on the table with that, I recognize I can be unduly influenced in my trading decision. Another one is Toll Brothers.
Phil Newton: Is that what we call a of bias?
Sean Donahoe: It is. Absolutely. Toll Brothers-
Phil Newton: Funny you mention that though. We've spent whole episodes talking about this.
Sean Donahoe: Indeed. Funnily enough. Funnily enough. But Toll Brothers, there's another one.
Phil Newton: I've got a few of those myself, where I just can't trade them. It's just ... Because of negative experiences, I just can't pull the trigger on the trades. So the only way to deal with that is to ... don't look at it, take it off your watch list. You know, I've got two such things that are actually currencies. But I just can't do it. The two biggest mistakes that I've made have been user error, nothing to do with the fact of what I was trading, but because they were such big cockups, I can't trade those two instruments. Because I had such a negative experience, and it really has left me scarred. I've placed a few trades on them over the years, but I just can't do it. So the easiest thing for me to do is just take them off the list, because like you, Sean, wherever they cross your trading desk, they flag up something. You just can't trade them, because automatically, you kind of go back to that moment and start reliving the experience. So yeah, let's just take the stress out of our lives and get rid of them.
Sean Donahoe: Indeed. I mean, it's PTSSD, it's post-traumatic stock syndrome.
Phil Newton: Stock dreading disorder.
Sean Donahoe: Exactly. It really does create that. It just drives me nuts, but then there's also the ones that are just stupid companies that I really just look at and go, "Screw that company, that's a stupid company." One of them being Snapchat, one of them being Blue Apron. And we have bagged on them since the very first show. And that's why, because they are stupid. They're stupid business models, stupid this, stupid that. And you look at them again, 'cause I have a lot of fingers in tech start-ups and a lot of different things, so I'm like, okay, you don't have a company. You don't have ... Okay, like Blue Apron. Prime example. You have a few ingredients in a box. It is the easiest company in the world to replicate. You're targeting a certain demographic, in this case it's more the millennial mindset, and I said from the very start, all it's going to take is Amazon or your local grocery store to put a few in a box and boom! And they did that immediately.
Phil Newton: As of today, and right this second, I just watched it downtick literally to 99 cents. As we were speaking, it just put its first . So it was about eight, nine, 10 dollars, somewhere around there depending on ... I can't quite remember the date off my hand, but it's now sub one dollar. It's officially a penny stock.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, it opened at $10 because they cut the target down from $20. And yeah, it literally is, it's hovering around one-
Phil Newton: This is what happens when you don't have ... Don't get me wrong, food in a box delivered, not a new and unique idea. But there's plenty of businesses and companies that are making a killing doing this business model, because they've got an angle. And we spoke about this at the time as well. I mean, I love to hate this stock, just because they've not done anything new or unique. If they'd cornered the market with a particular , or food boxes for certain types or certain dietary restrictions ... They could of really had the opportunity to take this market and do something with it, but then they didn't. They just did what everyone else was doing, which was very bland, very blasé, very meh. Blah. And it's a penny stock.
Sean Donahoe: That's exactly it. I mean, it is ridiculous. But those are my personal ones, and those are ones that I just love to hate as well. It's like, there, and ...
Phil Newton: I'm just looking again at Blue Apron. I made a mistake. It's $1.44, not $0.99 .
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, I was going to say, $1.44, but I didn't want to correct you.
Phil Newton: It was a data error, yeah. It's just corrected itself. It must have just been a rogue . It's just corrected itself on my chart, so I ... A bit of dodgy data, quickly corrected. $1.44: it's still a shitty stock.
Sean Donahoe: it doesn't fix it much. You know what I mean?
Phil Newton: It doesn't make it any better.
Sean Donahoe: No, no.
Phil Newton: It's still a shit sandwich.
Sean Donahoe: Yes, indeed. Indeed. Yes, and you don't want that delivered in a box. And that's enough. So anyway there you go. So
Phil Newton: shit sandwich delivered to your doorstep. For the princely sum of £4.99.
Sean Donahoe: Indeed. So okay, let's do this then, real quick. We could have done this as we went, but let's rattle through them. Let's do trade, fade or evade on each one of these without . So okay, first one: United Airlines. Trade, fade or evade? That's a trade for me.
Phil Newton: Trade. Trade. Buy it .
Sean Donahoe: In fact, I'm-
Sean Donahoe: I'm going to actually-
Phil Newton: It looks like it's from yesterday, so.
Sean Donahoe: Exactly what I was thinking, and I'm going to put that trade up right now. So that's one for the day. Okay. Tesla: what do you think, trade, fade or evade?
Phil Newton: Tesla, it's still the same as when we last looked at it. It's still a trade in my regard.
Sean Donahoe: It's not technically set up. this one.
Phil Newton: Beginning of September, yeah.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah. And that's where I was in, but I was out again. I wanted to reload my boots, but no, I mean not quite yet. It's not set up. I'm looking for the next set-up. I was already in and I'm looking for a set-up there.
Phil Newton: . Still bullish at the lower end of the range experience for me. Nothing new is developing. Until something new happens, the same thing's going to continue. We've spoken about that lots in this episode.
Sean Donahoe: Okay. BP.
Phil Newton: Practice what we preach. BP. It's breaking new highs. I'd probably be bullish. It'd be a buy if I had to do something. Nice, strong, definitive up-trend. It's going nicely.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, I would say ... I would agree with that. I'm going to evade it for now. I would wait for a little bit more of a dip for me. But that's just me on that one. Looking back over the last few years, and everything else, and looking back from last year ... Apple: what would say there?
Phil Newton: Trade it. It's just proved ... It's already had the pull-back continued highs. Technically it would be a trade. It's not deep retracements, which is what we normally like, but this would be a break to a new high type of entry. But yeah, trade it, for all the reasons we mentioned.
Sean Donahoe: I agree with that. Yeah. Okay. Amazon. Now, slowing down a little bit at the peak, but that has been on the run for the last year.
Phil Newton: Same thing. It's ... yeah. It's going to be traded: buy the dip. If it broke a new high, yes. If it put a deeper retracement, buy the dip. Two possible scenarios there. But yeah, it's-
Sean Donahoe: Buy the dip.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, absolutely.
Phil Newton: Yeah. Hashtag.
Sean Donahoe: Okay. Google.
Phil Newton: Google? Meandering. Again, I think we spoke about this last time. It's ... I think the trade was last week. It's buy the dip. Again, I think I prefer the other stocks, because the trend is more well-defined. So I'm being a little bit spoiled today. When we spoke about this before, this was the best stock that we were looking at on the day, but because I've got other stocks that look great, I'd probably evade it for that reason. Not because I don't want to ... Does that make sense? 'Cause I'm always trying to think, if I can only choose one stock, which would it be? Because I've looked at better stocks today, it wouldn't be Google. Whereas when we've looked at it in the past ... We looked at it last week, and the week before, that was the best stuff that we looked at. So that would have been the one that I traded. So for that reason, I would evade it.
Sean Donahoe: Funnily enough, I'm actually long on this one right now. For a longer cycle. I've got three month play on this one.
Phil Newton: -
Sean Donahoe: Oh, absolutely.
Phil Newton: ... I'm going to before I do this. But yeah, I mean technically, it's in an up-trend. You'd buy the dip, it's already kind of met that criteria. But by comparison, other stocks we've looked at are better. So I would evade it for that reason.
Sean Donahoe: That's fair enough. Yeah. I've got a different algorithm I'm using for my analysis of this one's put me in this one.
Phil Newton: Ooh, get you with fancy algorithms!
Sean Donahoe: It's one I keep under the stuff, so yeah. So rocking on, Microshaft. Okay, what would you do here?
Phil Newton: Same deal. Nice strong up-trend. I mean, this is that by comparison thing. It's in a nice strong up-trend; I've not seen deep retracements or weighting you probably wouldn't get it. So maybe break for new highs, which it's doing right now. It's a buy. It looked like a great stock.
Sean Donahoe: Okay. Nike. What would you do there? Nike.
Phil Newton: Nike.
Sean Donahoe: Me, I would trade this one.
Phil Newton: up-trend.
Sean Donahoe: BTFD, hashtag, yes. Okay, Dick's Sporting Goods. I would actually look at this one ... I might fade it. It looks like that would be a continuous fade from me.
Phil Newton: I actually like this long-term, so going back to the weeklies, when we were ... I mean, the trade I think was two or three weeks ago, looking at the weeklies, but it's broken through support around $35, middle of last year. Slow, lazy retracements back up to support acting as resistance, and it's starting to move lower again. I would be bearish. I would actually target this down to the recent lows, about $23.80 ish?
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, I was going to say, about $20 ... Yeah.
Phil Newton: That looks bearish to me. And then I would evaluate for beyond. I would be ... I actually quite like this. Although I'm a little bit late to the desired entry, given the time horizon, I'd probably be looking at two year leaps on this. I might actually do that as a long-term ... A rare, but long-term play. Just because it happens to have landed on my table, we just had to talk about it.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, it's one of those ones ... I never really look at Dick's. That really sounds !
Phil Newton: Well, that's not what the writing on the wall says about you, Sean.
Sean Donahoe: Oh my God, I can't believe I walked right into that one. Boom, boom. Anyway, so yes, I don't usually look at this particular stock. It's not usually on my radar.
Phil Newton: Are you trying to tell me Sean, that Dick don't often jump out at you like that?
Sean Donahoe: I generally try and avoid that situation. But I think this a longer-term short play. I think I agree with you on that 100%. So-
Phil Newton: So it's a short Dick, is what you're looking at right now. Well, let's just stay here and have fun with Dick.
Sean Donahoe: The jokes just write themselves. The jokes just write themselves. Oh my Lord.
Phil Newton: Oh, I love it.
Sean Donahoe: Anyway, let's move along into Electronic Arts as quickly as possible. What would you do here? What would your thought be? Me, personally, I'd just fade this one but that is because of a personal bias.
Phil Newton: It looked ... To be fair, I'm looking at the weeklies, to be honest. Long-term looks great. Dailies, usual viewpoint ... It's half and half. First half's going up, second half in the last ... well, you see the second half, last three, four months going down ... It's got a little bit of everything going on here from a trend point of view, so I would evade it.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, I'm evading this one as well. Okay. Toll Brothers.
Phil Newton: Just on principle.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, there you go. Toll Brothers: I don't ... solid down-trend, not ... It's at the bottom of the down-trend. I-
Phil Newton: Easy. Sell the rally, but we've got to wait for the rally in this case.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah,
Phil Newton: Yeah, be bearish. Oh, and fade it.
Sean Donahoe: Okay. Snapchat.
Phil Newton: Snap. Burn it!
Sean Donahoe: Now me, I mean, I'm just going to point and laugh at this one, but yeah. I'm going to avoid.
Phil Newton: Yeah. It would be a fade. It's not really in price range that we'd normally like, but yeah. It's going down. If we were going to do something on it, it's ... yeah, wait for the rally and a down-trend.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, there you go. Okay. And Blue Apron, the penny stock that was.
Phil Newton: Again, same deal. It's ... if you're going to do ... It would be avoid it, just because it's a penny stock, and it's not in the price range, but if you had to do something, it's sell the rally. Wait for the rally and a down-trend.
Sean Donahoe: Yeah, there you go. Okay. So that being said, ladies and gentlemen, that's it for this week's show. Rock and roll. So thank you for listening. I do hope you enjoyed it. Please remember, that this show is not free. It will cost you a five star review. Just go to tradecanyon.com/rebel-traders, and you can subscribe and review us on your favorite way to hear the show. This helps us reach more traders just like you, and is bloody good fun.
Phil Newton: We do have a lot of good fun, don't we?
Phil Newton: I still can't get over your stock selection.
Sean Donahoe: Like I said, the material writes itself. Unintentionally sometimes.
Phil Newton: Yeah, I mean if you'd like to connect to us on Facebook, join the jovialities in our Facebook group. You can have a little bit of a laugh, a giggle there. But you can certainly find the link at the same link: tradecanyon.com/rebel-traders. If you'd like to do it the old-fashioned way and send us a postcard, pigeon, carry, email, whatever you want to do
Sean Donahoe: Smoke signals. Yeah.
Phil Newton: Smoke signals, yeah. You can get to us on ... what's my email? [email protected] And what's your email, Sean?
Sean Donahoe: [email protected] So that's the
Phil Newton: Perfect. So yeah. So if you'd like to get in touch, we're very amenable to ... well, replying.
Sean Donahoe: We're very amenable to pretty much anything these days, it seems.
Phil Newton: Yeah, well by the sound of it, yeah. You certainly are. Right, what have we got coming up in next week's show, Sean?
Sean Donahoe: Well, we're going to be talking about options trading 101. We're going to be going through some of the things. A lot of people have a little uncertainty about options trading in general. So I wanted to kind of do a general show just about that, about options trading, which is the primary thing that we do. And just kind of skim over little kind of what exactly is options trading, what it's all about, how it works, why it works, and basically why we do it.
Phil Newton: We want to bring you over to the dark side.
Sean Donahoe: Absolutely.
Sean Donahoe: 'Cause we have
Phil Newton: , yeah.
Sean Donahoe: That's the main thing. Come over to the dark side, we have cookies. So
Phil Newton: And if you ask Sean nicely, he'll show you his personal stock selection.
Sean Donahoe: Get the hell out of here. Okay . Ladies and gentlemen, rock on. We'll see you again next week. Take care for now.
Phil Newton: Bye for now.
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